I speak with Kevin McKernan about the recent Project Veritas video in which a Pfizer employee claims that the company is contemplating directed evolution experiments with the SARS-Cov-2 virus.

Kevin walks us through the reasoning behind his view that we are already witnessing a massive directed-evolution experiment in the real world, as a result of the medical interventions introduced in response to Covid-19.

We also talk about the some of the fundamental problems that lie at the heart of the dysfunction in medicine and medical research that we've been living through – and some practical ideas for fixing it.

Kevin is CSO and founder of Medicinal Genomics (https://www.medicinalgenomics.com/). His Substack articles on directed evolution are here: here (https://anandamide.substack.com/p/directed-evolution), here (https://anandamide.substack.com/p/directed-evolution-ii), and here (https://anandamide.substack.com/p/directed-evolution-iii?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=456768&post_id=99322129&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email)tm_medium=email).

The work on directed evolution by Tawfik and Griffiths that he mentions can be found here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC140064/pdf/cdg014.pdf

The John Goodman books Kevin mentions are here (https://www.amazon.com/Priceless-Healthcare-Independent-Studies-Political/dp/1598130838) and here (https://www.amazon.com/Better-Choice-Healthcare-Solutions-Independent/dp/1598132083/ref=sr_1_3?qid=1675362738&refinements=p_27%3AJohn+C.+Goodman+PhD&s=books&sr=1-3&text=John+C.+Goodman+PhD)+C.+Goodman+PhD).

Kevin and I spoke about the responses to Covid-19 and problems with PCR testing here (https://bretigne.substack.com/p/kevin-mckernan-on-covid-19-its-origins-689#details), here (https://bretigne.substack.com/p/they-could-have-done-this-on-any-6fc#details), and here (https://bretigne.substack.com/p/kevin-mckernan-on-the-review-of-the-951#details). And about problems – and some solutions – with peer review here (https://bretigne.substack.com/p/kevin-mckernan-on-revolutionizing-ca2#details) and here (https://bretigne.substack.com/p/kevin-mckernan-is-the-peer-review-983#details).

You can follow Kevin on Substack: https://substack.com/profile/32722070-anandamide

...and  on Twitter: https://substack.com/profile/32722070-anandamide

And if you want to support Project Veritas, you can do so here: https://www.projectveritas.com/donate/

What my new membership group is all about

What are some of the techniques that have been used to control large numbers of people through the manipulation of information and mass media, and what makes us susceptible to it? How can we avoid falling prey to propaganda?

Join Lila Stone for a free introduction to her course "Propaganda and the Personal", on Wednesday, December 22.

Visit www.FreoganFellowship.org to sign up.

I speak with Sheriff David Hathaway, of Santa Cruz County, Arizona, about accountability in government (or the lack thereof), immigration (his views may not be what you expect), and the power of the sheriff.

Sheriff Hathaway recently gained notoriety for standing up against COVID restrictions as the Sheriff in Santa Cruz County, Arizona. Before that, he was known as a devout student of Austrian Economics and a prolific libertarian writer having written many articles for LewRockwell.com and the Libertarian Institute.

He is also known in libertarian circles for the book "Immigration: Individual versus National Borders" where he debunks the mistakes point-by-point made by certain Austro-libertarian philosophers who have strayed from free market private property principles in order to advocate state-run border controls. On this issue, David is in the ranks of prominent libertarians Will Grigg, Scott Horton, Bob Higgs, and Todd Seavey in their opposition to that fallacious non-Austrian idea.

David is a cowboy at heart and is part of a five-generation Arizona ranching family. He and his wife Karen have nine children together whom they have homeschooled. David also spent many years working as a supervisory DEA Agent and saw the failure of the drug war first hand.

Learn more about Sheriff Hathaway here: https://santacruzsheriff.org/

In this episode, I speak with long-time liberty hero and entrepreneur Jeff Tucker, about his launching of the Brownstone Institute in response to the worldwide authoritarian response to Covid-19, and why the Institute's efforts are so needed now.

We also talk about one of the primary - but little talked about - driving forces behind racial segregation and the eugenics movement: Fear of infectious disease, and the belief that those of "inferior" races were more likely to be disease vectors than were those of "superior" genetic makeup.

You can read Jeff's piece on that here: https://brownstone.org/articles/racial-segregation-and-vaccine-passports-ominous-parallels/

...and his book on the lockdowns is here: https://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Lockdown-Jeffrey-Tucker/dp/1630692123/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

The book we discuss in this episode is "The Great Covid Panic: What Happened, Why, and What To Do Next", and can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FT8KXBW?ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_KGREZNVPXEKZWZP4HEAN&tag=kpembed-20&linkCode=kpe

Sunetra Gupta's book is here: https://www.amazon.com/Pandemics-Fears-Facts-Kindle-Single-ebook/dp/B00CORE364/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=sunetra+gupta&qid=1631655898&s=books&sr=1-1

I mentioned FreedomCells - you can learn more about them here: https://www.freedomcells.com/

You can visit - and support - the Brownstone Institute, here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FT8KXBW?ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_KGREZNVPXEKZWZP4HEAN&tag=kpembed-20&linkCode=kpe

Only days after publishing a study comparing long-term health outcomes of vaccinated children to those of unvaccinated children, Dr. Paul Thomas had his medical license suspended by the Oregon Medical Board.

Jeremy Hammond's latest book tells Dr. Thomas' story, but is really about much more: Hammond builds the context within which the persecution of Dr. Thomas arose, and in doing so, tells the story of today's health freedom movement.

Anyone who wonders where that movement sprung from, or why thousands of parents around the world are so passionate about defending their right to choose what medical treatments their children are given, should start with this book.

Jeremy's book, "The War on Informed Consent: The Persecution of Dr. Paul Thomas by the Oregon Medical Board", can be found here: https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/product/the-war-on-informed-consent/

You can find Jeremy's writing, and support his work, here: https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/

And my interview with Dr. Thomas from last December is here: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2020/12/dr-paul-thomas-on-the-suspension-of-his-medical-license-5-days-after-publishing-a-vaxxed-vs-unvaxxed.html

Dr. Keith Smith, of the Surgery Center of Oklahoma (https://surgerycenterok.com/), is one of the heroes of the free-market healthcare reform movement. In this episode, we talk about what's really behind the dysfunction of this industry - and what can be done about it.

See ReasonTV's 2012 piece on the Surgery Center of Oklahoma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uPdkhMVdMQ&list=PLo80jcwBbsZG3mb3I1QUMdIpQLB0OT5Kn

The site Dr. Smith mentions for finding direct primary care providers is DPCFrontier.com: https://www.dpcfrontier.com/

And this is the site for the Free Market Medical Association: https://fmma.org/

By now you've probably seen the video where Reiner Fuellmich speaks with Dr. David Martin about his examination of patent records, which he says show that there is nothing "novel" about SARS-Cov-2, and that the genetic components that purportedly make it "novel" were in fact patented many years ago: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/a-manufactured-illusion-dr-david-martin-with-reiner-fuellmich-9-7-21_hPChWe1no7nxGDM.html

Kevin McKernan, CSO of Medicinal Genomics (https://www.medicinalgenomics.com/), knows quite a lot about genetic science and he also knows a thing or two about patent law - in particular the patent law around genetic research. So today, I asked him for his take on what Dr. Martin said in that video, and in his accompanying dossier (https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier.pdf).

In this episode, we hit some of the major points from Dr. Martin's presentation, and Kevin points out a few places where he thinks Dr. Martin gets it wrong. There's a lot more to dig into here though, and Kevin suggests a future conversation with himself and Dr. Martin - I'll keep everyone posted about that.

We also talk about the legitimacy of patent law, and intellectual property itself, and about whether patent protection helps medical research to flourish, or serves to stifle it.

The transcript of the video with Dr. Martin can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UqbUV755pmRE2iIhpfD1IBwUWJs5Tved2iY0vIPo8mU/edit

Kevin's Twitter thread on some of the issues we discussed can be found here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415360625283379206.html

And you can follow Kevin on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan

No, you probably don't. And that's part of what is so insidious about this information purge: So much of it happens without anyone even noticing.

Dr. Huber had been posting information about things like mask harm, the damage done by lockdowns, and evidence for effective treatments for Covid-19 - including some of her own research. In 2021, all of this is heresy. And so, back in April, she was "permanently suspended" from Twitter.

I talk about her suspension, and about some of the information that got her suspended.

A note: I apologize for the choppiness of the audio in some spots. We had some connection problems, and while I've edited out the worst ones, there are still some brief choppy spots.

You can find Dr. Huber's research and writing on masks, lockdowns, and related topics, here: https://pdmj.org/

And you can find Dr. Huber's books on Amazon: https://smile.amazon.com/Colleen-Huber-NMD/e/B077QDQW5W?ref_=dbs_p_pbk_r00_abau_000000

Her book "The Defeat of COVID: 500+ medical studies show what works & what doesn't" is here: https://smile.amazon.com/Defeat-COVID-medical-studies-doesnt/dp/0578248212/ref=sr_1_1?crid=ZH7LON15OMBU&dchild=1&keywords=dr+colleen+huber&qid=1625956172&sprefix=dr+Colleen+%2Caps%2C319&sr=8-1

Don Boudreaux is the perfect person to address the "you don't have a right to infect others" argument. Don is a professor of economics (among many other accomplishments), and he also has a law degree. So he has quite a lot to say about the nature of "externalities", both from an economic perspective and one grounded in law, and in common-law principles in particular.

We also address the question of whether the perpetrators of the devastating lockdowns and other restrictions should be held accountable for the harm they have done via something similar to the Nuremberg trials.

And in the end, I think I even manage to cheer him up a little regarding humanity's prospects for the future.

Don writes about externalities here: https://www.aier.org/article/stop-the-cartoonish-excuses-for-covid-restrictions/

...and you can find more of his writings here: https://www.aier.org/staffs/donald-j-boudreaux/

or on Cafe Hayek where he blogs regularly: https://cafehayek.com/

Some of the LA fireworks videos we talk about are posted here: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2021/04/i-had-a-fantastic-conversation-with-don-boudreaux-earlier-today-ive-got-a-backlog-of-episodes-to-put-up-so-this-one-wont.html

As director of quality assurance for a pharmaceutical company, Roger Koops interacted closely with the FDA for many years. I speak with him in this episode about his experiences, the nature of that agency and about how the regulatory landscape has expanded and become more burdensome over time. He also tells about the time he was tasked with auditing the CDC, what that experience taught him, and what – if anything – that agency is good for.

We also discuss the problem of professional myopia in the world of science, and the implications that has for the rest of us.

Roger Koops (https://www.aier.org/staffs/roger-w-koops/) is a contributing author for AIER (https://www.aier.org/), and is also a retired scientist, with a PhD in chemistry and over 25 years in the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries. He has authored or co-authored several papers on pharmaceutical technology and chemistry.

I spoke with Roger last month about why he doesn't plan to get the Covid-19 vaccine: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2021/03/wtmwd-58-.html

Recently, Jordan Peterson asked who he should have as a guest on his show to talk about Austrian economics, and Gene Epstein's name came up. In this episode, I ask Gene what he would say to Dr. Peterson, or to anyone looking to understand what Austrian economics is all about, what sets it apart from other schools, and why its insights are so important right now.

Gene is the former Barrons economics and books editor, and now hosts the Soho Forum. I spoke with him last month about where he thinks the economy is headed and what individuals can do to protect themselves, here: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2021/03/wtmwd-59-.html

The Soho Forum can be found here: https://www.thesohoforum.org/

And if you'd like to learn more about Austrian economics, there is no better place to start than the Mises Institute: https://mises.org/

I spoke with Mises Institute President, Jeff Deist last December, about whether it might be time for America to break up: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2020/12/wtmwd-54-.html

I start off asking Michael Boldin, of the Tenth Amendment Center, how we can use the principle of nullification to put an end to the lockdown insanity and create free societies... and we end up talking about everything from the legal foundations of nullification, how crappy most sheriffs are on constitutional rights, Freedom Cells, Vermin Supreme, and how very very important mutual aid is.

I even tell the story of my grandmother's experience with her amazing care home, provided by her mutual-aid society, and how the state has worked to shut these down across the country.

Michael works tirelessly for the Tenth Amendment Center: https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/

The book I mentioned is "From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State", and you can find it here: https://smile.amazon.com/Mutual-Aid-Welfare-State-Fraternal/dp/0807848417/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=mutual+aid+to+the+welfare+state&qid=1618343898&sr=8-2

This Cato publication has some good stuff on mutual aid too, including an essay on the book above: https://www.cato.org/books/after-welfare-state-politicians-stole-future-you-can-get-it-back?queryID=9b63721eae36cfe60245d8f28847768a

The Fully Informed Jury Association is here: https://fija.org/

The Institute for Justice is here: https://www.ij.org/

You can learn more about Freedom Cells here: https://theconsciousresistance.com/freedom-cells-surviving-thriving-during-a-pandemic/ and here: https://freedomcells.org/

Read about the battle of Tinhorn Flats here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tinhorn-flats-owners-repeatedly-defy-restaurant-closure-we-will-never-back-down/ar-BB1ftpOK

And of course the Vermin Supreme Institute can be found here: https://verminsupremeinstitute.com/

In which long-time libertarian writer and friend Todd Seavey does his best to offend those on both left and right on two hot-button issues that might actually unite people if only they would think about them in the right way - and predicts that the real revolution will be driven by picnics. We also end up spending a lot of time grumbling about how old we've suddenly gotten.

I spoke with Todd last August, about immigration restrictions. You can see that episode here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/756260/episodes/5164324

Todd's article "Secession and Open Borders: Why not both?" is here: https://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/secession-and-open-borders

His book, "Libertarianism for Beginners" is here: https://www.amazon.com/Libertarianism-Beginners-Todd-Seavey/dp/1939994667

And you can find Todd on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ToddSeavey

How broken are the systems that evaluate scientific research, and what can be done to fix them? I talk with Dr. James Lyons Weiler about these questions, and about his own contributions to independent research - including his analysis of VAERS data for deaths and anaphylaxis following vaccination for Covid-19, and his participation in the international Nucleaic Acid Amplification Testing Evaluation Consortium (NAATEC), which will evaluate the efficacy of PCR testing for Covid-19.

Dr. Weiler's website is here: https://jameslyonsweiler.com/

His Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge is here: http://ipaknowledge.org/ and you can read about the NAATEC project here: http://ipaknowledge.org/naat-evaluation-consortium.php

You can support Dr. Weiler's work here: http://ipaknowledge.org/How-to-Donate.php

...or here: https://jameslyonsweiler.com/

I speak with Professor Knut Wittkowski, former head of the Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, about what normally happens with viruses when societies are not locked down, and how locking down may have made things much worse, and especially for those most vulnerable.

We also talk about the nutritional supplement he has developed, and how it might help protect against Covid-19 and other respiratory infections, as well as a host of other problems.

Most of Professor Wittkowski's interviews have been removed from YouTube, but you can still find them on Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=knut%20wittkowski&kind=video

The website for his company, ASDERA, is here: http://www.asdera.com/index.html

And Gene Epstein (https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2021/03/wtmwd-59-.html) wrote recently about "ASD-Cov", the food supplement Wittkowski has developed, here: https://medium.com/@gene.epstein/like-a-vaccine-except-more-long-lasting-b0108e6aec8

Originally posted on March 18, 2020. This is my first podcast episode, in which I talk with Jeff Tucker about how governments around the world have responded to the threat of the Covid-19 virus, whether the response of the US government has been warranted, how that response will impact our society and the people living in it, and whether there is any hope for liberty in these times.

Jeff is editorial director for the American Institute for Economic Research: https://www.aier.org/

...where you can find analysis about the economic impact of all of this that you are unlikely to find anywhere else: https://www.aier.org/pertinent_tags/crisis/

You can also find Jeff on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeffreyatucker

Some of the articles that he mentions here include:

An Epistemic Crisis: https://www.aier.org/article/an-epistemic-crisis/

Good Reasons to Doubt the Estimate of Covid-19 Deaths: https://www.aier.org/article/good-reasons-to-doubt-the-estimate-of-covid-19-deaths/

South Korea Preserved Open Society & Now Infection Rates Are Falling: https://www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling/amp/

CoronaVirus Isn't a Pandemic: https://www.hoover.org/research/coronavirus-isnt-pandemic

When eternal optimist Gene Epstein is worried, you know things are bad. So... is he worried? I speak with the former Barrons economics and books editor, now host of the Soho Forum, about where he thinks we are now, and what is to come.

Gene lays out his view for the next few years, backs it up with good data-driven reasons, and talks a little about his own investment strategy. He also explains why I was wrong about hyperinflation in 2008.

Gene's article, "The Great Suppression" can be found here: https://www.aier.org/article/anatomy-of-the-great-suppression/

And my article, "An Open Letter to my Pro-Obama Friends" is here: http://www.cultural-nomad.com/writing/an-open-letter-to-my-pro.html

...and my follow-up three years later, is here: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/03/bretigne-shaffer/hey-democrats-did-obama-let-you-down/

The Soho Forum is here: https://www.thesohoforum.org/

The next debate happens this Wednesday, March 17, and the topic is whether presidents should be given fast-track authority to propose bills for all types of legislation, that Congress must approve or deny by majority vote and without change. You can register at the Soho Forum site: https://www.thesohoforum.org/#

You can also find Gene on Twitter: https://twitter.com/GeneSohoForum

I speak with retired chemist Roger Koops, about his experience working in vaccine development. We talk about some misunderstandings about how vaccines work, and some of his concerns about the Covid-19 vaccines.

Roger Koops is a contributing author for AIER (https://www.aier.org/staffs/roger-w-koops/) and is also a retired scientist, with a PhD in chemistry and over 25 years in the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries. He has authored or co-authored several papers on pharmaceutical technology and chemistry.

Our previous conversation, about masks and viruses, is here: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2020/10/wtmwd-41-bad-assumptions-drive-bad-policy-masks-and-viruses-with-roger-koops.html

His article, "A Primer for the Media on Viruses, Vaccines, and Covid-19" is here: https://www.aier.org/article/a-primer-for-the-media-on-viruses-vaccines-and-covid-19/

I speak with independent journalist Jeremy R. Hammond about some of the things he thinks some of those who are critical of the official Covid-19 narratives are getting wrong.

We also talk about censorship, and about how to be good news consumers in these crazy times.

You can see Jeremy's work, and sign up for his newsletter (which I highly recommend), here: https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/

I speak with Meryl Nass, MD, about some of the blatant manipulation that characterizes official reporting on Covid-19 cases and deaths. We also talk about where the SARS-Cov2 virus may have come from, and the (possibly criminal) efforts to which some have gone to suppress information about and access to potentially life-saving treatments.

Dr. Nass has been doing some of the best reporting on Covid-19 controversies. You can see her work here: https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2020/06/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative.html

The article we discussed, "Shameless manipulation: Positive PCR tests drop after WHO instructs vendors to lower cycle threshholds. We have been played like a fiddle" is here: https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/02/positivity-of-pcr-tests-drops-as.html

Another article of hers that we mentioned, "How a false hydroxychloroquine narrative was created, and more", is here: https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2020/06/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative.html

(And as a special treat, if you listen carefully, you'll be able to hear my chickens in the background.)

The last time Kevin McKernan was on the show, he told us about the (devastating) review of the Corman-Drosten PCR methodology that he co-authored. In this episode, he talks about some of the fallout from the review, including a scathing, but imprecise, attack from PCR expert Dr. Stephen Bustin - why that attack is puzzling, and what it tells us about the state of peer review.

My previous episode with Kevin, talking about the Corman-Drosten Review, is here: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2020/12/wtmwd-50-kevin-.html

The Corman-Drosten Review Report (with comments) is here: https://cormandrostenreview.com/
and the addendum is here: https://cormandrostenreview.com/addendum/

"Detection of 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) by real-time RT-PCR", by Corman, Drosten, et al, is here: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000045

The interview with Stephen Bustin, on Planetwaves, is here: http://chironreturn.org/audio/210201-steve-bustin.mp3

Information on the Michelle Cedillo case can be found here: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-federal-circuit/1536580.html
and the court transcript is here: https://www.cofc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/Cedillo_Opinion_Order_0.pdf

I spoke with Kevin last April about problems with the peer review process, and "revolutionizing peer review with blockchain", here: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2020/04/wtmwd-episode-6-kevin-mckernan-on-revolutionizing-peer-review-with-blockchain-.html

...and about some of the problems with PCR testing, here: https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2020/10/wtmwd-40-.html

You can find Kevin on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan