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Recorded on: 2/11/24 ~ 4 Toj (Offering)
Location: The Mountain!
4 relates to the physical plane of existence, the four directions, the solstices and equinoxes...ideas and concepts that involve material reality.
The energy of Toj (Offering) gives us an opportunity to align with the flow of reciprocation and Divine balance. Spirit gives abundantly at all times...to all of us...and Toj is a day when we can intentionally give back/offer our attention and gratitude, by addressing our debts...be they material or energetic.
The offering of time is the greatest gift of all...and when we take one step towards Spirit, Spirit takes 1,000 steps towards us!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on: 2/11/24 ~ 4 Toj (Offering)
Location: The Mountain!
4 relates to the physical plane of existence, the four directions, the solstices and equinoxes...ideas and concepts that involve material reality.
The energy of Toj (Offering) gives us an opportunity to align with the flow of reciprocation and Divine balance. Spirit gives abundantly at all times...to all of us...and Toj is a day when we can intentionally give back/offer our attention and gratitude, by addressing our debts...be they material or energetic.
The offering of time is the greatest gift of all...and when we take one step towards Spirit, Spirit takes 1,000 steps towards us!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on: 2/4/24 ~ 10 Iq' (Wind)
Location: The Mountain
10 is the number of manifestation, as well as the number of community and cooperation. It is the moment, in the evolution of the numbers, when we can witness something come into reality which...from numbers 1 through 9...existed only as a concept, plan, or idea.
Iq' (Wind) can be interpreted as The Divine Breath of Spirit. Among other concepts, it represents communication and change.
Thus, 10 Iq' (Wind) is a day when we have a fabulous opportunity to share communications with our community...this, in turn, has the potential to create changes within the community...so it is important to be mindful of what we choose to communicate and how we choose to do so!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded: 1/27/24 ~ 2 Ix (Jaguar)
Location: Pfeiffer Falls...Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park, Ca.
On 2 Jaguar, we have the opportunity to say thank you to our Mother...we can choose to go to the places where She can hear us most clearly...natural springs, cave entrances, and Sacred Places...these are said to be Her ears.
In Big Sur, my favorite place in the continental US, I always find it very easy...effortless even...to commune with nature...to connect with The Spirit of The Earth, Gaia, and to feel the presence of Spirit flowing through Her and flowing through me.
It is easy for me to stay in a state of gratitude and to remember that no matter how hard life becomes, all I need to reclaim my inner peace, is to focus my attention on the beauty all around me...flowing effortlessly from and through Gaia.
Sat NAM! and thank you, Gaia...SAT NAM! AND THANK YOU BIG SUR!!!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on: September 15, 2023 ~ 11 Ajpu (Sun/Flower)
In 2010, Joseph Selbie, and hs co-author, published one of the most thorough and well-researched books about The Yugas/The Precession Of The Equinoxes ever written.
Today, in our second conversation, he continued to share his wisdom about The Great Year...as we focused on the end of The Golden Age and how our species may have dealt with the long "decline" of human consciousness as we came forward in time from 12,000 years ago...into The Silver, Bronze, and Iron/Dark Ages...and into today, as we ascend once more!
Spiral Out and Spiral on! Sat NAM!
Joseph's website:
https://www.expandinglight.org/teachers/?leaderID=puru
Website for the book:
http://theyugas.com/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Conversations With...:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/conversations-with/
Recorded: 9/2/23 ~ 11 Kej (Deer/Horse)
"To realize one's destiny is a person's only obligation."
-From "The Alchemist"
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:https:
//www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on: 8/22/23 ~ 13 Ajmak (Wisdom/Forgiveness)
Dr. Courtney and his family live completely "off the grid"...growing most of their own food, drawing hydroelectric power from a local river, and supplementing their energy needs with solar power and a battery storage system...deeply nestled in a tropical rain-forest on the island nation of Dominica.
Today we began a discussion about living "rustically" and he then provided a brief review of his groundbreaking "non-psychoactive Cannabis as a dietary supplement" research.
Dr. Courtney's Website:
https://cannabisinternational.org/wordpress/
Dr. Courtney's YouTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@dr.williamcourtney9150
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com
Conversations With...:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/conversations-with/
Recorded on: 8/11/23 ~ 2 Kan (Serpent)
Ola Wolny is an Alchemical Woman who...simply by living her life...is providing a magnificent example to other women...and men...for how we can choose to live in a different way...the way humans lived before "the dark times" of patriarchy...in balance and harmony with Spirit and with each other.
She is leading her life this way...for herself and also for us to know what is possible when we choose to align with Spirit...shed the programming...get out of our heads...and live from our hearts and...for women...from their wombs!
It was a distinct honor for me to speak with her today about the role of Alchemy and Agape Love, as more and more women step into their True Spiritual Power...and how men can align with this process to manifest True Justice and Love for the future or our species!
"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
None but ourselves can free our minds"
-Bob Marley, "Redemption Song"
Spiral out...and Spiral on!!!
Ola's Website:
https://selfmasteryquest.com/
My website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com
Conversations With...:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/conversations-with/
Recorded on: 8/8/23 ~ 12 Iq' (Wind)
Within the context of the Monkey Trecena, which brings forward our creativity, today's combination of 12 and Iq', to me, teach us why choosing to engage our creative energy is a pathway to aligning with The Divine...and in doing so, we come to understand that the creative energy is flowing through us, not from us...directly from Spirit, through us, into the physical world.
This is one way I discern 12 Iq' (Wind), as an understanding that The Divine Plan already has a bright future in store for us...when we align with the flow...and we surrender to what we do not know!
Spiral out and spiral on!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on: 8/6/23 ~ 10 Ajpu (Sun)
10 can be discerned as the number of manifestation...the moment when what has been developing "behind the scenes" is brought to the light of day. It is also understood as the number of community and cooperation with others...helping others and accepting help when we need it.
Ajpu (Sun) is the last of the 20 Sun Signs and represents Divinity and ascension.
So, 10 Ajpu can be perceived as a day when we join together with our community for the purpose of manifesting the Divine here on Earth...to bring forward the ascension of our entire species!
This is the manifestation day of the B'atz (Monkey) Trecena and what comes through us is the result of choosing to engage our creativity...for it is in connecting with our creativity, that we channel The Divine through us and into the world!
Thank you for your creative Spirit!
Spiral out and spiral on!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on 7/31/23 ~ 4 Ix (Jaguar)
4 can be seen to represent the physical world...the 4 directions...the 4 elements...
Jaguar can be described as The Voice of Gaia (Mother Earth) coming through our consciousness and also speaking to us through Her use of the 4 elements and the physical realm...which is Her body.
4 Jaguar...within the B'atz (Monkey) Trecena...to me represents choosing to creatively connect with Gaia...in a stable and sustainable way...in the physical world, not just in our minds.
Find your unique connection to Spirit...only YOU can discern Her call...Her way of speaking ONLY to you.
No one else can do it for you!
Spiral out and spiral on!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recording on: 7/28/23 ~ 1 B'atz (Monkey)
B'atz is said to be the energy of the creative genius...the flow of creation is woven together by B'atz...using the threads of time itself! And so all other forms of creation are possible too, through the genius of Great Spirit!
She flows through us...NOT from us! Sat NAM!
Today is day 131 of the 260 days of The Tzolk'in...today we begin the second half of our journey through this Sacred process of Creation! We move from inspiration to active...from contemplation to clarity of purpose...
Spiral out and spiral on!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on: July 23, 2023 ~ 9 Kame (Transformer)
My Soul Brother, Gabriel, joined me again to discuss the idea of being in resonance with The Divine Flow/Plan, his recent journey to meet the most rare tree in the Amazon rain-forest, Noya Rao (The Flying Tree)...also known as "The Tree of Light," and a few other topics.
More Noya Rao Information:
https://infinitesouljourney.com/blog/noya-rao-tree-light
My website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com
Conversations With...:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/conversations-with/
Recorded on: July 14, 2023 ~ 13 No'j (Earth)
In 2010, Joseph Selbie, and hs co-author, published one of the most thorough and well-researched books about The Yugas/The Precession Of The Equinoxes ever written.
Today he graciously agreed to sit down for an informal conversation about some of the information in the book...and he also expounded on a number of Spiritual concepts that interweave throughout the 24,000-year Great Year.
The idea that seemed to keep popping up in our conversation is Intuitive Atunement/Alignment. The importance of this idea was highlighted, later in our talk, when he described this concept as the gift of Dvapara Yuga, which is the age we recently entered over the past few hundred years!
Joseph's website:
https://www.expandinglight.org/teachers/?leaderID=puru
Website for the book:
http://theyugas.com/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Conversations With...:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/conversations-with/
Recorded on: 6/30/23 ~ 12 Aq'ab'al (Night)
Today is 12 Aq'ab'al (Night) on the Mayan Tzolk'in calendar. It is the second to last day of the E' (Road) Trecena (13-day period).
This Trecena is about the path/road of life and the Spiritual Path, in particular...so the final step on that path, potentially, is the complete understanding/realization, and then embracing, of our life's purpose!
As they say in Texas, "Go BIG or go home!"
Spiral on...and spiral out!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
/ @markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
Recorded on: 6/29/23 ~ 11 Iq' (Wind)
Today is 11 Iq' (Wind) on the Mayan Tzolk'in calendar.
11 can be understood as Divine Movement...movement that is not necessarily logical or rational to the human ego. It is the way Spirit communicates and moves...in unpredictable ways!
Iq' (Wind) is the archetypal energy of Divine Communication, the breath of life and the Sun Sun of change...as the air can shift directions quickly, so too can the energy of Iq'.
Combined with the number 11, and nested within the Road Trecena (The road of life and/or the Spiritual Path), today's combination of Divine Movement and Divine Communication can be interpreted as the potential for each of us to share the good news of Agape (Divine) Love that permeates and guides our lives.
It is the sharing of our good news, that channels the evolution of human consciousness towards a Divine future.
Sat NAM! and Happy NAME! Day, 11 Iq' Karina!
Spiral on...and Spiral out!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
Recorded on: 6/28/23 ~10 I’mox(Crocodile/Water Lily)
Today is 10 I’mox (Crocodile/Water Lily) in the Mayan Tzok’in(Count of Days) calendar.
10 is the number of manifestation…it is the moment when we see the results of our efforts take form in the material world…and it also represents two hands coming together in community…to assist one another…to lift each other up, when needed.
I’mox (Crocodile/Water Lily) represents the collective unconscious of all life. She is the ocean…the womb of creation.
Combining 10 with I’mox (Crocodile/Water Lily), exemplifies the point along the road of life and/or the spiritual road…when we recognize that we may be able to do a lot on our own, but eventually we must come together in community, in order to manifest the Sacred Dream that we are all living into!
Sat NAM! my beautiful human family, fly high!
“As tribes go, the natural world has the best and most capable communities anywhere. All natural traditional people consider their own human societies as extensions or direct descendants of these tribes of nature.
But, of all the natural world, it is the Ocean who is the biggest and the best community of all on earth, and is in many ways far superior to than most human tribes. The great mother ocean is literally the womb of the entire earth and is the origination of all life. The water of the ocean is salty because it is made of all the tears of all the grief of all the world’s losses since forever. So it is that the water of all grief—the ocean—is the womb that gives birth to all life. So all life and happiness are born from the womb of life‘s grief. Understanding this will make it so you can grieve and your grief will also go to add to the great life-birthing ocean.” - Pg. 47
“She, the ocean, can pull and suck down grief, converting pain into life, in a way only very few people can. Those few people who can help grievers grieve I would say have souls made of something from the bold crashing mother ocean. The sea speaks in a million ways, but the waves always lick the face of our hurt until our real face reappears from beneath.” - Pgs. 47-48
-Martin Prechtel ~ “The Smell of Rain On Dust”
Spiral on and spiral out!!!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
/ @markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on 6/23/23 ~ 5 Ajmak (Wisdom/Forgiveness)
Today is the 5th day of the Road Trecena (13-day period), 5 Ajmak (Wisdom/Forgiveness).
Taking the grounded vision we gained yesterday, from 4 Tz'ikin (Eagle/Bird), if we choose, we may begin to apply ourselves to the effort of manifesting that vision. How?!
This day gives us the opportunity to work with the concept of forgiveness and the subsequent wisdom that comes from employing this powerful strategy.
We have the option to forgive ourselves for our human mistakes...because no matter how perfect the vision is...we will do our best and we will sometimes fail...and we can learn from those experiences, to become more balanced and stable in the future...that we may succeed where we failed in the past!
Sat NAM! Spiral on...and spiral out!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on 6/22/23 ~ 4 Tz'ikin (Eagle/Bird)
On 4 Tz'ikin, we have the opportunity to see the vision provided to us by Great Spirit and bring it down into our physical reality.
During the Road Trecena, we make the choice to travel this road of life (1 Road)...
...we can make the choice to live a life of service and support for our home and community (2 Reed)...
...we can then choose to align with Gaia and hear Her voice within us (3 Jaguar)...
...and this will allow us to see a clear vision of how to bring ourselves and our community into alignment with Her cycles...to live a life in harmony with Nature!
Spiral on and spiral out!!!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:https:
//www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on 6/21/23 ~ 3 Ix (Jaguar)
Cover Photo By: Mark Elmy
3 carries the intention for basic (vs. dynamic) movement...movement that takes place within us...
The Jaguar Sun Sign, among others qualities, represents Gaia, Herself. Her voice that comes through each of us...through every animal and plant...through the very Earth, Herself!
Today, we have an opportunity to tune into Her voice in a unique way...as She flows through us...within us...
She can be heard when we quiet our mind and listen to The Wind...she can be heard when we "gloss out"...away from the "sober" state of consciousness and enter the flow of the present moment with no agenda but to hear Her wisdom flow through you...and move you.
Spiral on...and spiral out!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on June 20, 2023 ~ 2 Aj (Reed/Cornstalk/Spinal Column)
Today's combination of energies can be interpreted to be about choosing which path we will walk in this life.
Which road will we travel...the road of balanced leadership...or the road marked by mileposts of examples better not followed?
Do we choose the road of Love...or the road of despair?
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website, "The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
Recorded on June 19, 2023 ~ 1 E' (Road)Recorded on June 19, 2023 ~ 1 E' (Road)
Today is the beginning of the "E' (Road)" 13-day period (Trecena)...
...and so, in an effort to expand beyond my comfort zone and grow as an individual, I have chosen this day to begin offering my perspective regarding the combination of energies represented in the Mayan "Tzolk'in" calendar for today!
To learn more about the Tzolk'in, I recommend visiting Mark Elmy's website,
"The Four Pillars":
https://thefourpillars.net/?cat=29
I also recommend Mark's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@markelmy8770
And finally, I recommend visiting Mayan Majix, a website with fantastic resources for exploring many Mayan concepts, including the Tzolk'in:
https://www.mayanmajix.com/wp/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Recorded on June 14, 2023 ~ 9 Kej (Deer/Horse)
"And isn't it beautiful how creativity comes through us all in different ways..."
-Mark Devlin-
Mark Devlin has been leading the field, for more than 15 years, primarily focusing his efforts on revealing the dark/occult aspects of how the music industry is used to control our minds and guide us into a disconnected, spiritually-fragmented, state of being.
However, today we discussed his fictional work and his creative process...as well as some inspired discussion about the potential for the light to triumph over the dark in our lifetimes!
Mark's Website:
https://djmarkdevlin.com/
Mark's BitChute Channel:
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/zkMTCEmRmDZv/
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Conversations With...:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/conversations-with/
Recorded on 5/29/23 ~ 6 B'atz (Monkey)
Recording Location ~ El Portal, Ca. (Just outside Yosemite National Park)
Guitar ~ 4 No'j (Earth) Aries76
Vocals ~ 2 Ix (Jaguar) Ophiuchus74
"MJ" (MacKenzie Johnson) has been a significant inspiration for me since I was introduced to her music in late 2015.
MJ's YouTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@MackenzieJohnson
I Love this song and, given this golden opportunity to have 4 No'j (Earth) Aries76 play guitar while I sang (in a custom built recording studio near Yosemite National Park, no less), yeah...I was excited to have some fun practicing with this cover!
Baby steps! Spiral out...keep going!!!
"Cuz' you've gotta fall a thousand times
Before you die you've gotta live through the sorrow"
-Mackenzie Johnson
Episode Music...and most everything else I publish on this channel (and on my website)...is offered, "as is"...as raw/authentic as possible. I am offering "unpolished" material and/or performances because I feel that the most rewarding parts of the creative process are often the unpolished bits!
That includes the "mistakes" and bloopers along the way!
MJ's fantastic, "What I Want," Studio Session from 2017:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KIpk-v23lM&list=PLA6CD0BF1D2F49BDC&index=19
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Episode Music:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/act-iv-episode-music-the-ultimate-expression-of-art/
Recorded on 5/21/23 ~ 11 Aq'ab'al (Night)
H.O.P.E. ~ Heavenly Optimism Provided Eternally
Today, Neil and I continued our conversation with a re-visit and re-frame of where our conversation began during our first chat...
...from devious control to Divine Liberation...
...to find a silver lining around The Wetikó...one must be willing to search for it...if one HOPEs to find it!
My Website:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/
Conversations With...:
https://www.discoverthewetiko.com/conversations-with/
