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This is one of the most important podcasts that TCI will ever produce. The American prison system has rattled many people inside and outside of the legal system. Part of America stand behind the tough on crime model of justice. They want a prisoner to not only pay for their crimes but they also want the prisoners to suffer. Is that fair or more importantly is it legal.

Is the Constitution dead to those who have been incarcerated? TCI is going to ask the tough question and deliver the reality of the prison system. Our panel, Kristle Goins, Rita Williams and Jordan Bills along with TCI host, Joseph St. John will break down the complexities of the what is happening in our prison system.

Fair or not, it is happening everywhere in American and regardless of popular opinion most prisoners are not serving life sentence and they will be back out in our communities. Are they better people after being incarcerated or are they worse? This is the question every American has to ask themselves?

This podcast will address many topics including, wrongful convictions, horrible medical treatment and unconstitutional actions by government officials.

You can follow Rita Williams at:

Clutchjustice.com

Youtube.com/@clutchjustice

For further information on the topic:

From Asylum to Prison
https://amzn.to/4aQf6jj

The Psychopath Whisperer: The Science of Those Without Conscience
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0770435866?nodl=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_mwn_dp_E4YNCY2E3QNRMT2W2Y6M&language=en_US&dplnkId=79abcd1c-e623-4355-a292-ca72254562d0

Psychopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0330492276?nodl=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_mwn_dp_M5JFAQXJ76HYJPWF5V84&language=en-US&dplnkId=7400a87d-164b-4f9d-b0b8-1ef8e7b3fa99

Inside the Minds of Serial Killers: Why They Kill
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0275990990?nodl=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_mwn_dp_ADV9SPH2Q9C0PQ4571CJ&language=en_US&dplnkId=7b162477-0ce6-4228-85d1-f56f8e955533

The Anatomy of Evil
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1633883353?nodl=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_mwn_dp_79JQ3Y766PN58WKM5XH0&language=en-US&dplnkId=3b6ba3ea-feda-41c3-a540-437ecdfe6a88

The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1633885321?nodl=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_mwn_dp_9T7VS7SZGMRX50A9MX36&language=en-US&dplnkId=2a80897d-a1eb-4f3a-8146-5e799bba82c2

Beauty is Therapy: Memories of the Traverse City State Hospital
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0970477805?nodl=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_mwn_dp_HYVFPQW3RWMRTYQS23YT&language=en_US&dplnkId=99c02905-546e-4799-a9cf-627e095c4621

No One Cares About Crazy People: The Chaos and Heartbreak of Mental Health in America
https://www.amazon.com/One-Cares-About-Crazy-People/dp/0316341177?nodl=1&dplnkId=6c8abdf1-06f4-48dc-a361-2240fd6a54ce

Karen Sue Beineman was the only person John Norman Collins was convicted of murdering.

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

2 Avg. Joes S02 E19 – Michigan Murders: 8th Victim Karen Sue Beineman 1969 – “The Last Victim?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wkYiUQwSlo&t=5s

2AJS S02 E20 – Michigan Murders: 8th Victim Karen Beineman 1969 – “The Last Victim?” (Postscript)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imeZ3VfYvwA&t=496s

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Dawn Louise Basom

In the case of Dawn Basom, who was murdered over 50 years ago, the case has never been cleared. No one has ever been arrested and no one has ever been sent to jail. However, if you goggle her name, you would quickly see that she is considered to be one of victims of the 1960s coed- murder, John Norman Collins.

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

2 Avg. Joes S02 E14 – Michigan Murders: 5th Victim Dawn Basom 1969 – “Off the Rails”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI4cI...

2 Avg. Joes S02 E15 – Michigan Murders: 5th Victim Dawn Basom 1969 – “Off the Rails” (Postscript)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3jX...

2AJs Presents: True Crime Incorporated - Episode 2 Trailer: Why is it so Hard to Correct Myth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQmD...

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2AJs Presents: True Crime Incorporated - Episode 2: Why is it so Hard to Correct Myth?

Why is it so hard to correct myth? In spite of facts, crimes can be committed and no one will be charged or held accountable.

In the case of Dawn Basom, who was murdered over 50 years ago, her case has never been solved. No one has ever been arrested and no one has ever been sent to jail. However, if you goggle her name, you would quickly see that she is considered to be one of victims of the 1960’s coed- murder, John Norman Collins.

Do we really know that? Is that true or do we just think that because she has always been listed as one of his murder victims. That is the question TCI is asking.

We ask that and why is it so hard to correct myth??

To see the entire video:

https://youtu.be/srOWdtME-y8?si=xzGCtLlq25s6BJBS

True Crime Incorporated, Joseph St. John, Dean Teaster and Deneen Azzolino discuss how difficult it can be to gather truth in the modern age. What passes for research is often just people cutting and pasting information from a few articles and calling it truth. Is real research dead?? What does it take to collect actual information? Can it be done? Take a listen.

Below are very important links:

The Case of Charles Manson: Maybe It’s Not What You Think It Is by Joseph St. John

https://twoaveragejoes.com/true-crime...

2 Avg. Joes S02 E23 – Michigan Murders: The Exclusive Interview • 2 Avg. Joes S02 E23 – Michigan Murder...

https://youtu.be/2MZeL5qhw48?si=q7n7h6ZBF82hZHq0

Why is it so hard to correct myth? In spite of facts, crimes can be committed and no one be charged or held accountable.

In the case of Dawn Basom, who was murdered over 50 years ago, the case has never been cleared. No one has ever been arrested and no one has ever been sent to jail. However, if you goggle her name, you would quickly see that she is considered to be one of victims of the 1960s coed- murder, John Norman Collins.

Do we really know that? Is it true? Or do we just think that because she is always listed as a Collins’ murder victim. That is the question TCI is asking.

We ask that and why is it so hard to correct myth??

Kevin King discusses his time in the Michigan Prison System. Do we really know what happens behind prison walls? Do we really know anything?

Links to other information:

Two Average Joes Presents: Prison Reform with Kevin King

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wKIPhcT7gM&t=1s

The Musing of 2 Average Joes – True Crime and Prison Reform

https://twoaveragejoes.com/opinion/november-7-2023-the-musing-of-2-average-joes-true-crime-and-prison-reform/

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JBS

Who really knows what goes on behind our prison walls?

A Short Introduction to Kevin King: On May 17th, 2023, Kevin was asked to speak to the Oakland County Bar Association (OCBA), about being incarcerated within the Michigan Department of Corrections (MDOC), for almost 41 years. How, he was released from custody with a Life Without Parole Sentence and about our prison system from an inside perspective, and the cultural shock of being reintegrated back into society. A special thanks was offered to all those instrumental in his release.

Who really knows what goes on behind our prison walls?

#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This is the fascinating August 2013 interview of former Eastern Michigan University Campus Police Patrol Officer (1965-1969) Larry Matthewson. Interviewed by 2 Average Joe’s Robert Baker, Ken Harvey (Gary Leiterman’s Cousin), and Mike Manning (Professional Investigator) about the Michigan Murders (aka Co-Ed Killings) that occurred from 1967 thru 1969.

Officer Matthewson shares his unique knowledge, views, and insights as a participant, witness and investigator and Michigan Murders’ task force member. Intricately involved in most, if not all, of the investigation of the seven known Michigan cases and also tangentially involved in multiple suspected out of state murder cases.

The following links will help you follow our podcasts:

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations
https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us at

https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Karen Sue Beineman

The following links will help you follow our podcasts:

2 Avg. Joes S02 E21 – Michigan Murders: John Norman Collins– “The Trial”

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xcOFmiMh0dIX/

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations
https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us at

https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Karen Sue Beineman

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us at

https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Karen Beineman

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

2 Avg. Joes S02 E19 – Michigan Murders: 8th Victim Karen Sue Beineman 1969 – “The Last Victim?”

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Fess9blySnVf/

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

Manson and Rivera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oudbU46xJx0

If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us at

https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Karen Beineman

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us at
https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Roxie Ann Phillips

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us at

https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Alice Kalom

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

2 Avg. Joes S02 E16 – Michigan Murders: 6th Victim Alice Kalom 1969 – “In Purple”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Jg0ZHACfQ

Alice Kalom was ‘Serious, Likable’

https://aadl.org/aa_news_19690611-alice_kalom_serious_likable

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

If you would like to donate to our cause please contact us at

https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

We appreciate your support. Go by Two Avg. Joes and subscribe to our email notifications. https://twoaveragejoes.com

#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Alice Kalom

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

Alice Kalom was ‘Serious, Likable’

https://aadl.org/aa_news_19690611-alice_kalom_serious_likable

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

If you would like to donate to our cause please contact us at

https://twoaveragejoes.com/support-us/

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

We appreciate your support. Go by Two Avg. Joes and subscribe to our email notifications. https://twoaveragejoes.com

#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Sheila Jean Collins, Iowa State Murder

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

Part four: Theories, but no arrests (Sheila Jean Collins, Iowa State Murder)

https://www.iowastatedaily.com/special_sections/the-murder-of-sheila-jean-collins-part-four-theories-but-no-arrests-investigation-iowa-state-student-1968-true-crime-greenlee-investigates/article_ad32fa54-8053-11ec-a6d5-6f2a19306c5f.html

A Story Yet to be Told: Murder of Sheila Jean Collins 1968

http://iowaunsolvedmurders.com/beyond-1965-selected-unsolved-iowa-murders/a-story-yet-to-be-told-murder-of-sheila-jean-collins-1968/
Iowa Cold Cases: Sheila Jean Collins
https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/sheila-collins/#:~:text=On%20Sunday%2C%20January%2028%2C%201968,20%20miles%20east%20of%20Ames
The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror
https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations
https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5
Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

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This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins

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2 Avg. Joes S02 E09 –Michigan Murders: The Case of Gary Leiterman

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GkHZuE0JwZIn/

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

Part four: Theories, but no arrests (Sheila Jean Collins, Iowa State Murder)

https://www.iowastatedaily.com/special_sections/the-murder-of-sheila-jean-collins-part-four-theories-but-no-arrests-investigation-iowa-state-student-1968-true-crime-greenlee-investigates/article_ad32fa54-8053-11ec-a6d5-6f2a19306c5f.html

Framed for Murder by His Own DNA (Luckis Anderson)

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/04/19/framed-for-murder-by-his-own-dna

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This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Dawn Basom

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2 Avg. Joes S02 E14 – Michigan Murders: 5th Victim Dawn Basom 1969 – “Off the Rails”

https://www.bitchute.com/video/siRKIO7wDmKn/

Slain Girl’s Last Hour Theorized by Police

https://aadl.org/aa_news_19690418-last_hour_theorized_by_police

The Evidence Locker (Michigan Murders)

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/local/michigan/2019/11/08/michigan-murders-john-norman-collins-serial-killer-evidence/1475344001/

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

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This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Dawn Basom

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

Slain Girl’s Last Hour Theorized by Police

https://aadl.org/aa_news_19690418-last_hour_theorized_by_police

The Evidence Locker (Michigan Murders)

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/local/michigan/2019/11/08/michigan-murders-john-norman-collins-serial-killer-evidence/1475344001/

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

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This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Maralynn Skelton

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2 Avg. Joes S02 E12 – Michigan Murders: 4th Victim Maralynn Skelton 1969

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IEnWJ8AE5Yj2/

John Norman Collins Pens Letter to Detroit Free Press

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/local/michigan/2019/11/11/michigan-murders-john-norman-collins-letter/2521102001/

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Maralynn Skelton

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMALHnvEQU

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#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Jane Mixer

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

1969 Ann Arbor Area Murders Prompts Action By Governor Milliken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YfbuIuC30k

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

Part four: Theories, but no arrests (Sheila Jean Collins, Iowa State Murder)

https://www.iowastatedaily.com/special_sections/the-murder-of-sheila-jean-collins-part-four-theories-but-no-arrests-investigation-iowa-state-student-1968-true-crime-greenlee-investigates/article_ad32fa54-8053-11ec-a6d5-6f2a19306c5f.html

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This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Jane Mixer

The following link will help you follow the stories covered by Two Avg. Joes:

2 Avg. Joes S02 E07 –Michigan Murders: 3rd Victim Jane Mixer 1969

https://www.bitchute.com/video/72Sx9XmZZLs6/

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

1969 Ann Arbor Area Murders Prompts Action By Governor Milliken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YfbuIuC30k

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

Jane: A Murder

https://www.amazon.com/Jane-Murder-Soft-Skull-ShortLit/dp/1932360719?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185504524&sr=8-1

The Red Parts: Autobiography of a Trial

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CXON6T2/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

Anatomy of a Murder (1959) - Four Ways to Defend Murder Scene (1/10) | Movieclips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnF14D8_-I

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

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This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

• The Case of Gary Leiterman
• Michigan Murders
• John Norman Collins
• Jane Mixer

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Did John Norman Collins Work Alone?

https://fornology.blogspot.com/2014/02/did-john-norman-collins-work-alone.html

'Handsome' EMU student was unlikely serial killer suspect. Letters, interviews reveal dark side.

https://amp.freep.com/amp/2522765001

The Michigan Murders Part 4: The Aftershock

http://www.easternecho.com/article/2020/01/eastern-echo-podcast-michigan-murders-part-4

Desert Sun, Volume 43, Number 1, 5 August 1969

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19690805.2.35&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1

Murders of Michigan Women Still Unsolved 50 Years Later – But Cops Had Eyes on 1 Man

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/local/michigan/2019/11/10/michigan-murders-john-norman-collins/3820802002/

John Norman Collins and the Code of Silence

https://fornology.blogspot.com/2014/10/john-norman-collins-and-code-of-silence.html

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Ypsilanti-Norman-Collins-Unmasked/dp/1627874038/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/133-4928400-8720528?pd_rd_w=zz27J&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9GATGZM3GRVN9E2DQV77&pd_rd_r=c0430f88-b133-4d51-ae76-dcb77cc10bdd&pd_rd_wg=eUrfx&pd_rd_i=1627874038&psc=1

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

https://www.amazon.com/Catching-Serial-Killers-Learning-Investigations/dp/0962971405/ref=sr_1_5?crid=15BOOGZXIWKF5&keywords=catching+serial+killers&qid=1644237031&sprefix=catching+serial+killers+%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-5

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

https://www.amazon.com/The-Michigan-Murders-Edward-Keyes-audiobook/dp/B06XCX46V1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Edward+Keyes&qid=1644237710&s=audible&sr=1-1

The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

https://www.garyisinnocent.org/Default.aspx

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Robert Baker and Joseph St. John were raised in Newport News, VA during the 1970s. Living less than a mile apart and attending the same school, Willis A. Jenkins Elementary, Robert and Joe met in 3rd grade when Robert, who was known as Joey back then, moved to the neighborhood. As a matter of fact, they met the first day that Robert went to his new school, and they started a friendship that continues to this day.

It was not a friendship that did not endure unbroken over time. After high school and multiple attempts at trying to be rock stars, they moved onto different life paths. Joe went on to join the Newport News Police Department and attained the rank of Captain and later Chief of the Columbus, MS Police Department. Robert would join the US Armed Forces and later become an attorney with his own law firm in Allegan, MI.

During the pandemic, they reunited to discuss fitness and it turned into hours-long discussions on the culture of America. Often, these conversations turned in to “WTF America” and what is happening to our nation. We also discussed fitness, movies, music, and the life of individual Americans.

Stand by and get ready to take the ride of your life as Two Avg. Joes tell it like it is: Unfiltered and Unapologetic.